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pieAfter listening to my radio segment on CBC Here and Now , some commented on the statistics I cited. “You said that 82% of the nominees were white people but I looked it up and the percentage of white people in Canada is 76%. So, really it’s not that bad. They’re pretty close.”

I was stunned and a little tired so I let the comment go without a reply. I’d heard similar arguments before (even from people who support greater diversity) and, though they rankle me, I never really examined why.

But now that I’ve slept and had time to think: LOL. No. You are wrong. Shut your face.

In response to an Ask about the diversity of film/TV characters in the US, Trudy of Gradient Lair gave this amazing answer that exemplifies the nuance needed in discussions of diversifying spaces. It’s not just about the numbers; the meaning and power structure behind the numbers is important.

Since we are talking specifically about the diversity of writers, and all the writers in question made the shortlist for the Giller Prize, a prestigious literary award in Canada, I’ll take the discussion of differences in quality of the work off the table.  Instead, let me point the many other reasons citing census figures is a red herring.

Statistics don’t reflect true impact

The statistic I used was cumulative from 2003 to 2012 inclusive. Over ten years, 39 of the 48 shortlisted authors have been white. The 2013 shortlist consisted of five white people so over the past eleven years, the numbers shift to 44 out of 53. To hit the 75-76% range, the 2014 shortlist would have to be all people of color. Not that hard but very unlikely.

What’s harder is addressing the total history of Canadian literary prizes. What do their cumulative statistics over the nearly 90 years of Canadian English language literary prizes look like? How long would the juries have to select all POC shortlists for that statistic to reflect the demographics? And what about the total history of Canadian literature as whole? Can we even attempt to guess what percentage of Canadian books have been written by white people?

Furthermore, the statistics don’t tell the story of the differential impact of majority white shortlists. It is easy to see which books and writers are honored and which are consistently excluded. While privileged writers may not even notice the ways in which the system works in their favor, writers from marginalized groups certainly notice their exclusion.  It doesn’t take a chart to confirm that this literary award is yet another site of marginalization.

But let’s put that aside. Let us pretend for a moment that the statistic did in fact match the demographics of the country. Guess what? It still would not be enough.

Census figures aren’t a useful target

Census numbers and statics on demographics are not objective representations of a population. Behind the numbers is a whole history that answers the question “how did this happen?” You cannot say the US and Canada are white majority countries without acknowledging that the US and Canada are white settler colonialists nations.

I’m sorry. Are we not supposed to talk about that?

You cannot point to the small percentage of people from x ethnic background as justification for their exclusion without acknowledging that the departments of immigration (and national security) of the US and Canada tightly regulate the movement of peoples across their borders based in large part on the labour needs of the state.

Were we not supposed to talk about that either?

Look how easy it is to say “There are more books by and about white people in the US and Canada because there are more white people in the US and Canada.” It rolls off the tongue as if it were common sense. And the statistics support such a statement.

This reality is a bit harder to swallow:  There are more white people in the US and Canada because the US and Canada were established using the systematic genocide of Native peoples, the theft of Native lands, and the labour of enslaved peoples in the past and immigrant peoples currently who were and are never meant to stay or survive.

And now you’re uncomfortable. Good.

When you accept and acknowledge that census figures reflect a long history of marginalization, it is preposterous to use these same figures as the benchmark to which you measure the inclusion of marginalized people.

But Léonicka, you’re whining, why are you bringing up all this heavy shit! I thought we were talking about books?!

The lack of diversity in literature and publishing in 2014 is a symptom and result of centuries of oppression. I will never discuss the former without referencing the latter.

Better measures of success

Lately I’ve been trying to incorporate the word equity into my discussions in an effort to emphasize that diversity and inclusion are not about the numbers. I encourage counts and looking at statistics because they are an easy way to quantify how bad things are. I also believe doing the counts regularly is a useful way to track progress and change.  Unfortunately, numbers can’t be used to demonstrate success.

The goal is not to maintain the status quo but with more diverse faces. The goal is to address and repair the historical and present day injustices. There is no magic number at which you have “enough” diverse people on staff or “enough” diverse books on your shelf or “enough” diverse people shortlisted for the Giller Prize. We will not be successful until people who are marginalized are no longer marginalized.

What is a more useful way to track our success, then?  Perhaps one way is to look at patterns and try to disrupt them. When we look at a VIDA count (or CWILA count in Canada) we attribute meaning to them based on patterns. Majority male and white results are predictable and fit into the pattern of patriarchy that we are actively rejecting. When I gave myself a pat on the back after my 2013 reading stats, it was because my count did not fit the predictable pattern. I measure progress by how often my work rejects the dominant narrative.

Consider your own work and goals. What are the best ways for you to measure your success without relying on census figures? List your ideas in the comments!

Léonicka Valcius is a Toronto-based publishing professional. She blogs about various topics, including diversity in the publishing industry, at www.leonicka.com. Follow her on Twitter at @leonicka.

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More thoughtful comment later as it relates to my own professional work, but for now, I want to tell you that I love this line of argument and reframing of the conversation:

Ooh, yes:

"Look how easy it is to say “There are more books by and about white people in the US and Canada because there are more white people in the US and Canada.” It rolls off the tongue as if it were common sense. And the statistics support such a statement.

This reality is a bit harder to swallow: There are more white people in the US and Canada because the US and Canada were established using the systematic genocide of Native peoples, the theft of Native lands, and the labour of enslaved peoples in the past and immigrant peoples currently who were and are never meant to stay or survive.

And now you’re uncomfortable. Good."

Also, the funny thing is the census argument only seems to work with white people, not with Hispanic, Asian, Black, or Middle Eastern people. I think about this all the time though when I see more and more Indian Americans on TV. On one hand I'm happy, but on the other, I'm like, "This really just highlights how few Asian Americans there are on TV, as a whole." Then again the latest TV season is supposed to be the most diverse yet, so maybe I'm hopeful. Maybe.
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Folks from the Middle East or from families originally from the Middle East are barely acknowledged in the US Census, thus underlining how ridiculous it is to use that as the centerpiece of an argument.
Surely the category of "Asian" is sufficiently descriptive!

How could people from Afghanistan, Amernia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Butan, Brunei, Burma, Cambodia, China, Cybrpus, East Timor, Georgia, India, Indoneisia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, the Maldives, Mongolia, Nepal, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, the Phillippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, South Korea, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkey, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, or Yemen feel that they were not adequately represented on the census?
This list makes me happy :D

ALSO, North America has some of the largest publishing companies -- certainly the ones with great marketing/PR, both global and domestic. When they publish 80% white people and export those stories abroad, isn't that also a form of cultural imperialism? (I hesitate to be definitive because I know more about film/TV production and distribution than international book publishing and distribution.)
It sounds like it to me.
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chickpeas · 551 weeks ago

yes and no. Couple of things to consider:

1.) Many companies have significant editorial presence in non-US/UK markets (for our purposes here, the US and UK book markets can be treated as one). For example, Penguin (now Penguin Random House) has offices in India, South Africa, Singapore... other places that I can't remember... in addition to NYC and London. The international offices acquire and publish for their own market(s), and may not publish everything that the "home office" does, even if they have the rights to do so. So it's not like Penguin India just repackages everything (80% white folks) that comes out of Penguin NYC (see their list here: http://www.penguinbooksindia.com/en -- lots of books designed to appeal to that market... but then also The Fault in Our Stars, sigh). Which brings us to...
2.) Rights. A savvy agent will slice up the various territorial rights (i.e., right to publish in the US, Asia, ANZ, etc) and translation rights and sell them separately to separate publishers. Sometimes an agent may be unable to sell rights for a certain territory or language, even if the book is successful in the US. So, not everything that is published in the US is automatically available elsewhere, though, it must be said, much of it is.

Those two things being said, yes, the big English-language publishing conglomerates do dominate the industry, and yes, they are best placed to distribute and market their products worldwide and yes, I don't love that. They are not all North American companies, however: Hachette is owned by a French media conglomerate (Lagardere Group). PRH is owned jointly by Bertelsmann (German) and Pearson (British). Macmillan is privately owned by a German holding company (Holtzbrinck.) HarperCollins and Simon and Schuster are owned by NewsCorp and CBS, respectively -- both US firms.

It's also worth noting that the US exports a lot more literature than we import. The industry standard estimate is that 3% of works published in the US are works in translation (source: http://www.rochester.edu/College/translation/thre... That's... not a lot. I don't know what the statistic is for English-language works that are translated into at least one other language, but it is way more than 3%. I know that's true because pretty much every US publisher of any significant size has someone (or multiple someones) on staff whose job is to sell foreign rights.

So, yeah, speaking from my perch here in the US, there are two real problems: the rest of the world reads too much of us (though I think that as the publishing industry matures overseas, particularly in China, South Korea, and India, that will change), and we don't read enough of the rest of the world. One thing any US based *reader* can do is to read (and preferably purchase, but libraries are good too!) translated works -- here's a good list to start with: http://www.rochester.edu/College/translation/thre...

(Sorry to go on at length, this is one of my personal bugbears. Probably someone could sell translation rights just for this comment.)
Yessss thank for expanding, this was much needed. Hooray for personal bugbears and how they can enlighten others on how TPTB construct our media landscape!
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chickpeas · 551 weeks ago

You're welcome! Unfortunately, there's very little that we as readers can do about what/how much US culture gets exported. But, we can make an effort to read across borders when we are here at home. It's something, I guess.

(Two more sources for translated works: Europa Editions and Melville House. http://www.europaeditions.com/aboutus.php & http://www.mhpbooks.com/book-categories/translati...
I know you're being silly and I broadly agree with you, but a lot of Asian American and Pacific Islanders have been pushing for data disaggregation (broadly speaking between East Asians, Southeast Asians, and South Asians) for awhile and we have it for some folks. For example, I can specifically check off Vietnamese/Vietnamese American if I want to on the Census--but someone from Uzbekistan would have to write it in. However, because so many people in geographic West Asia/Middle East region don't identify as Asian American, their representation needs have been left off. Obviously other groups have been working on this, so maybe we'll see something around people who ID as Middle Eastern in 2020.

It's really weird how uneven everything is.
Oh, I don't disagree with data disaggregation at all. I work for a US government agency, and one of the things we have to do is collect this kind of census-like data on clients, and there's a lot of it that doesn't make any sense. For example, categories include both "white" and "Asian" -- there are a lot of west-Asian people who obviously identify as both or, more often, one or the other of those two things, and this means that a lot of the information we've collected about "Asian" communities in the US is probably...not as accurate as it could be.
Haha, oh, man, I just realized that it actually seems like that list was a way of saying "these are too many things to appear on a census!", but actually what I was trying to say is that, "it is absurd to put this many different countries that are hundreds of thousands of miles apart and have centuries of cultural difference between each other into the category of 'Asian', just because they are on the same continent, especially considering that it is the largest and most diverse continent of all."
Yeah, I knew what you were trying to get at! My response was muddled because some of us have been banding together under the name of a pan-Asian American label since the 60s but it is 1) driven by reasons of finding power-through-numbers by East, Southeast, and South Asians, 2) heavily influenced by old-timey notions of race by physical attributes/cultural affinities (which is why I think folks from West Asia/Middle East and Central Asia tend to get left out) 3) further complicated by calls for data disaggregation by ethnicity.

I was having a hard time touching on all of that just because yeah, some of us would ID as Asian (I do as a shorthand all of the time) but some people don't because of lingering ideas of self-ID and race and ahhhhh fuck colonialism.
It's also weird because, at the end of the day, what are we collecting this information FOR? The Census I guess is one thing, but where I work, I'm not sure what possible circumstances would call for knowing what continent someone's family came from.

I guess ethnicity makes the most sense, to be honest, but ethnicity is such a muddy idea in the first place that I don't see it leading to very useful data collection, either.
Yeah, that root question of "what is this all for??" is such a good one. In my current work I do a lot around health disparities that communities of color experience so information on ethnicity and race is extremely important in identifying them. It's weird though, I feel like ethnicity isn't that muddy an idea for me but as you're asking all of these questions I'm left with more and more questions.

I guess continents are basically our shorthand for skin colors & associated racism, and Asia is just particularly good at complicating it because it's so damn big. (So is Africa and the Americas, I guess.)
I tend to think of questions of ethnicity as being kind of muddy because we do collect SOME information about ethnicity, which is: "Hispanic / Not-Hispanic".

And it seems to me that this isn't necessarily the most useful category with which to organize data.
lolwut is that the only breakdown? (esp since Hispanic/Latin@ can barely be called an ethnicity!) I am so curious about which agency you work for now but I understand if you don't want to disclose the name.
Department of Welfare. So, all of my desires for better collection of data are balanced by the sour certainty that all this information is going to be used as a political football by racists.
I think a point to add to this is about what awards like this are actually FOR. If the award itself is just a survey of, "these are the books that came out," I mean, I guess that's fine -- but it's almost always the case that literary awards like this have as their primary motivation to encourage and improve the quality of a nation's work, both from the standpoint of encouraging authors and encouraging publishers to find and publish "better" work.

And the thing is that body of literature is always "better" when it's more diverse (this follows I think from any reasonable definition of the value of literature: if the point of the arts is to help us empathize with a variety of experiences, to teach us new things about our world, and to expose us to new perspectives with regards to living in it, then a diversity of voices, experiences, and perspective is vital to any useful corpus of the arts).

I guess that it's maybe right to say that, implicit in the definition of "literature" (or any of the arts), that actually diversity is often more important than strict statistical representation.
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Yes. Most of the awards are an attempt to highlight exceptional work and encourage that it is read. The awards committees should be going out of their way to include a wide variety of voices.
"We will not be successful until people who are marginalized are no longer marginalized."

I love this. I am a graduate student in the sciences. I have no idea how to apply these ideas to what I do. (I have ideas about how to apply these ideas to what I hope to do with my career) I look forward to reading others comments.
I run a LOT of assessments, and qualitative data combined with stats is king in my books. Focus groups, interviews, all these things can give a much better picture of where we're at than numbers with no story.
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chickpeas · 551 weeks ago

I would not be surprised if Canada were doing better in terms of indigenous literature than the US...at least in quantity published. (Or quantity per capita, I guess?) Because we are really sucking at it down here.

In my capacity as a human cog in the book-industrial complex (lol... sort of) I do try to consciously publish works by and about marginalized populations. That said, my ability to do so is constrained by a number of things, not the least of which is that I am not actually in charge of very much. (I work in nonfiction publishing, so the issues are fundamentally similar, but tend to play out differently. IE, the influence of prizes and awards is not as great, unless we are talking the Pulitzer, which none of my books have yet won. YET.)
Thanks for this. I know it's not the main point, but it gave me a kick in the pants to revise my syllabus for 20th century Ireland this fall so that the unit on recent immigration includes writing by non-white recent immigrants themselves. Roddy Doyle is great, but "The Deportees" is not enough.
I measure progress by how often my work rejects the dominant narrative.
This.
Lately I’ve been trying to incorporate the word equity into my discussions in an effort to emphasize that diversity and inclusion are not about the numbers.

Very nicely stated, thank you.
'You cannot point to the small percentage of people from x ethnic background as justification for their exclusion without acknowledging that 'the departments of immigration (and national security) of the US and Canada tightly regulate the movement of peoples across their borders based in large part on the labour needs of the state.' This is amazing.

When I was like 11, I observed that Lord of the Rings has no black characters in it, and my (white) friend's little (white) brother said, "Yeah but there probably weren't many black people living in Middle Earth at the time." I knew something was up - firstly that a white South African would create an all white Middle Earth, and secondly that idea of representation reasonably reflecting population demographics is so deep set that a kid would think the deliberate creation of a totally white fantasy environment justifies the arrival of all white characters in a set of all white novels. You've just made me realise that these arguments are the same whether they're about all white environments created by writers or white dominant environments created by colonialism, genocide and immigration policy. This has to be white because it's reflecting this other thing which is also super white, let's totally never talk about where all the whiteness came from, the end.

Your piece is such genius and I loved every bit of it. You're briliant. Thank you.
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Maybe I'm not tracking this well -- who's the white South African? I've never heard of Tolkien having any connection to Africa; Wikipedia thinks his family came to Britain from Germany. I'm really curious about this.
Maybe they were talking about the Peter Jackson movies. New Zealand is in South Africa, isn't it?
No. South Africa is a country on the southern tip of the African continent. New Zealand is a country made of two major islands in the Pacific, to the southeast of Australia.
Tolkien was born in South Africa.
Sorry, yeah, Tolkein was South African. In South Africa around the time he was born, there was quite a lot of movement between Britain, Germany and South Africa (and other European countries to other colonised countries).
I may have missed it, but it seems like the simplest answer to the original question hasn't been mentioned yet, which is:

"Sure, the difference between 76% and 82% (white population vs. white nominees) doesn't seem like much. But. Look at it from the other side - if 24% of the population is nonwhite and only 18% of nominees are nonwhite, that means they're underrepresented by 25% - as if a QUARTER of them don't exist.
Thank you for this excellent post. As a public librarian in a majority-white suburb (who has actually heard the lower-income/Black-and-Hispanic neighborhood referred to as "the projects," jesus christ people it's not Cabrini Green over here), I do my best to promote diversity in our collection and especially our displays and features, but I could definitely be doing more.
"I encourage counts and looking at statistics because they are an easy way to quantify how bad things are."

Okay, but your entire article seems to be encouraging us NOT to look at statistics if they tend to show that things AREN'T that bad. An 82% white shortlist of only 48 people in a 76% white country is not compelling evidence of racial diversity problems.

"When you accept and acknowledge that census figures reflect a long history of marginalization, it is preposterous to use these same figures as the benchmark to which you measure the inclusion of marginalized people."

Okay, what I think you're trying to say is "statistics are not a good basis for disproving marginalization," which I agree with, but the above quote is one of several places where you severely overstate your case. I would have thought that statistics showing proportionate inclusion would be good - albeit imperfect, incomplete and inconclusive - indicators of non-discrimination. It's hardly "preposterous" to cite those figures, especially in response to your own citing of figures on CBC.
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It's possible to have an interest in statistics because they are an easy way to quantify how bad things are, and also to want to talk about the history behind the statistics (ie. that we can't forget about genocide and racist immigration policy when talking about demographics). Also I read this as the story unravelling (rather than overstating, taking the wrong tone, etc.) - I found it useful to think about how statistics can be used to show how bad things are, and then to be prompted to think about what statistics really mean (what holocausts took place in order to make the figures what they are today).

I'm not sure where you get the idea that statistics showing proportionate inclusion would be good, although imperfect, indicators of non-discrimination from, but I definitely disagree. I think it's possible for the figures to look nice and for a whole lot of discrimination to be going on. Obama's inclusion in the government is a fine (non literary) example.

It sounds like you think the author only uses statistics when they are useful, which is kind of what I understand the point of statistics to be. Why use them if they imply mistruths (unless you have a reason for wanting the world to appear less racist than it really is)?

Also why should people of colour have to accept an 82% white shortlist in a 76% white country?
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